Heck, even the ones who created said multiverse and pretty casually at that are massively inferior to him. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa Secret Wars II, 1985. TOBA is just TOAA's alternate persona. GER is well above the league of the Infinity Gauntlet. Nope. @professorrespect said: @chris2kzombieki said: Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. Like, Dr-Manhattan created the new DC universe, but the Multiverse that belongs in is Yehweh's Multiverse. 8 years ago. 2. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. As the Fight inclines this is Tiamut who is I believe the strongest celestial ( I heard there was another. Juntai. I've heard TOAA is no longer omnipotent due to a new plot development, so you might be able to throw him at Featherine and see what happens. Never leave. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. I am unsure post-retcon Beyonder would even beat that version of her, which was a far. @professorrespect said: @chris2kzombieki said:Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. He’s supposed to be the number 2 behind. Scp 3812 vs Anos vs Featherine vs Hajun vs Yogiri vs Golden Wondie vs Superboy Prime vs pre retcon Beyonder vs Sotha Sil. Now, Beyonder doesn't work like that, and is more ore less considered TOAA level, not above, but about the closest thing you could get to TOAA without being TOAA. Pre retcon Beyonder was literally TOAA level. CC Goku is outerversal while in Uni Blue, meanwhile Pre retcon Beyonder as far as i know is high outer and has way better feats, apart from being part of a much larger cosmology. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. Heck, it was Pre-Retcon Beyonder who was basically the original and first Marvel's Void Abstract, not Oblivion. Reply. While Beyonder has the power of Marvel writers. Pre-Retcon is irrelevant (has been for decades) only current The Beyonder and members of his species count 1 versus 1 All try their hardest to win Round 1: Peak condition and trying hard Round 2: Augmentation (like sundipping for kryptonians) and trying hard. u/nullfather can attest to that. TLT is a servant of TOAA and is below TOAA in terms of power, TLT is able to turn off the infinity gauntlet in the hands of Adam Warlock and beat people like Protoge with a little help from Scathan, judge people like Beyonder, etc and is above people like Eternity, Infinity who are above people like Galactus or Odin who are above space, time. Not even beyonder is that powerful. In the end Jim was a single employee within the company, his actions were- under review by his superiors. Ervin_Pepper • 8 yr. First it introduced us to the Avengers Infinity stones saga, which ended with Avengers Endgame and now i. TOAA cannot warp his own creations without tech and The Beyonder was a creation of TOAA with the same power set. That's something more powerful than the Beyonder. I see through many eyes. Probably thanos as he seemed to. Yeah, Beyonder is retconned, but still seen as a specific character. 2. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. [deleted] • 8 yr. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. Yeah, Beyonder is retconned, but still seen as a specific character. He had to use a large portion of his power to even effect concepts and was effected by physical attacks. Explore Gaming. I dunno. s. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. and it's the rules of the. Those guy would curbstomp Manhatten. But the original cover art of the original Beyonder was toying with them making everyone believe he was inferior. The Beyonder is so beyond that, it is ridiculous. The omniverse in a box feat is really debatable as proof of omniversal level. Jack Kline can’t do shit. TOAA is omnipotent in the Marvel multiverse , not outside of it. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. 2. Hence why people differentiate the beyonder as. While the Living Tribunal is still the judge officially, the Phoenix Force can do everything the. Claymore1998. 9 years ago. Scenario: Through the miracle of TOAA, Living Tribunal summoned the most powerful army in the existence of Marvel to fight the entire race of Beyonders outside Marvel-verse. DarkGodBane • 7 yr. Battles. INB4 LOCK. It is like TOAA vs Beyonder. DC team : The Darkest Knight, Perpetua and Doctor Manhattan. Buuuuut, Molecule man currently is back to his old power levels. Ok, this is what I thought. 2. Scathan beat Protege and that had to have been from an outside Amp from TOAA based on her copying the LT. This. 0. Reply [deleted] • Additional comment actions. Prime Brock Lesnar, Prime Mike Tyson, A Neanderthal Male,Prime Andre the Giant, A. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. Who will win in a fight between Beyonder and The Presence? Menu. ago. . Khorne. so i think the only characters that can beat him are tier 0 characters like boundless. KMC Forums > Comic Book Forums > Comic Book 'Versus' Forum > The LT with the backing of the TOAA vs. . matchups like these are. Forum Posts. The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents. Victory by permanent death or erasure. " Like it could be as simple as that if the writer really wanted to. HotU Thanos should win based on actual feats. Absolutely not Definitely yes Ellis Foster Been reading comics since before I could read. #1 KingOfAsh. beyonder Yep, lol. beyonder Yep, lol. PR Beyonder vs TOAA would be a stalemate. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. The glory (Dr. No Alien X & No Ascalon and no Godly powers ups like Phoenix/Beyonder/Captain Universe/Cosmic Cube Round 2. If Pre-Recton Beyonder and TOAA ever faught, it would end in a stalemate. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. He was the TOAA of another mutliverse that came to Marvel's multiverse. He was TOAA, before he was introduced. Beyonder. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . Stalemate. 9 years ago. He stomps all round. Both have absolute 100% control. Lovecraft's mythos is vague and open ended, but a high end interpretation is that Yog Sothoth is inaccessible and beyond all hierarchies of infinity. If this is The Presence with GEB inside him,his fight against TOAA will be stalemate and Beyonder is beyond anyone (besides TOAA and fully power The Presence),even The Primal Monitor. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (33 votes) Lucifer 61%. Sppople. I really can't be asked to go. than i understand from other blogs Pre-retcon Beyonder is High 1-A/ High Outerversal in beyond-realm. Pre Beyonder Had the power of the authors and could do literally anything he wanted. Beyonder = tier 2 being at absolute most. 567. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. Pre-retcon Beyonder. Or actually had the power of God or the Source in DC. Minstry_of_pain. He destroyed the Sun sometime in Ardas history. 3812 transcends them TOAA and The Presence unless you go by ThEy aRe OmNiPoTeNt, Omnipotence and. 5 years ago. If we assume the former, then Deku and Bakugo would destroy the musician and then get destroyed by TOAA. The PR Beyonder was defined as a multiverse composed of literally everything outside of that, and that existence shared a single consciousness. 11 years ago. s. So, unless you think that Beyonder is >> TOAA and Presence, then your statement is absolute hyperbole and highly inaccurate. PR beyonder can take all and stalemate with TOAA. 6th. Wiki Points. In terms of creation, TOAA can copy or recreate Rimuru and Anos' power. Team Beyonder - vs - Team The Spectre #. LT is basically the will of TOAA, representing the editors and acts only when they have written themselves into a hole. In times where he was not the absolute power in the situation, it was passed off as an M-Body. 0. PRE RETCON BEYONDER goes to the DRAGON BALL universe and fights all Dragonball characters at the same time - this includes Zeno Sama, The Angels, Whis, All Gods of Destruction, Broly, Goku, Vegeta, etc. Yamcha will use his 0,00000000000001% power and Speed Equalized for this don't become a Spite Thread. Cosmic Ghost Rider vs The-One-Above-All vs The Living Tribunal vs The Beyonder💯/Let's End This DebateULTRA SASUKE ANIME FACT OR CAP SHORTSRound 3: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Cosmic Armor Superman Round 4: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs The Empty Hand Round 5: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs all of them. Far from Beyonder levels. The celestial is probably still well above Manhattan but I'm not as sure there. Pre-retcon Beyonder was insanely overpowered, and even though subsequent balance adjustments severely nerfed his powers, he still kept his insane reality-altering incalculable strength and much of his superhuman physique. Oldfather 18. No, that was post-retcon Beyonder. TOAA isn't omnipotent anymore, and Beyonder is fodder. Aug 9, 2016 #10 Overseer due to wiki rules you must request a content revision and debate for this changes. Follow 4160. he could just copy TOAA and become the new TOAA himself. 13 / 10. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. This is like putting TOAA against an ant. and yes, its the considered the strongest character in fiction by all comicbook/anime forums. Vize 2 mo 28 d. He definitely isn't TOAA level outside maybe his own reality. The Beyonder (pre-retcon) vs The Great Darkness (dark crisis) The most powerful antagonist Marvel ever created vs the latest and greatest existential threat in DC. The Beyonder and the One-Above-All both have a decent claim to being the most powerful character in the Marvel Universe. Then House Of Ideas 12. Melkor is the second strongest character in Arda (Middle-Earth planet), though he may be third after Ungolliant. There is still reason to believe You Sothoth exceeds Beyonder. • 7 mo. PR Beyonder vs TOAA would be a stalemate. I think HOI vision, GOS loki, GOP thor all beat astral regulator Thanos (arguments can show that gop and gos neg thanos) that's only to name a few, I'm sure there's more specially since u included non cannon. The Chaos gods are tough to kill as they are powered by and represent concepts. #3 jwwprod. TOAA: Got KOed by Thanos with the Regulator, stated he wasn't omnipotent unless the multiverse had "order", smaller multiverse. Beyonder - Writer (according to Stan Lee PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality) I pretend nothing! I am SUPREME!! In my native realm I WAS the universe! -- Beyonder -Beyonder is supposed to represent the power the writers themselves have over the comics. s. Manhattan's league. Beyonder is on the level with The Spectre who takes orders for the presence. The Glory: description and feats. Heck, even the ones who created said multiverse and pretty casually at that are massively inferior to him. Having incubated. Lucifer and Michael are second to God, period. 1. Beyonder came into the story as a result from one of Molecule Man's experiments gone wrong, right, he did not exist before that and his appearence was the. #12 Edited By Montaq. 9 years ago mysticmedivh'The Beyonder operates on levels unimaginable to me. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Like this for instance in Secret Wars II beyonder was beyond the marvel multiverse, multiverse then later there was suddenly a omniverse all governed by TOAA, TOAA began with a multiverse and suddenly got a omniverse to play with, but do you see him get retcon no, but his power just grow exponentially, the same with LT in Secret Wars II he was. He is True Omnipotent inside. No. Comics Explained thinks that The Lost One is more powerful than the Enigma, but the Enigma seems to be an end-all kind of threat whereas the Lost One seems to be a Beyonder-Hunter kind. Goku (dragonball) vs Darwin (marvel comics) Comics version of Darwin not movie. He is True Omnipotent, he was TOAA before TOAA was introduuced. I. The Beyonder beat them rather easily - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3, and Scan 4. AFAIK this Spiderman recreated the universe. #1. s. . Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. Characters like LT, God Spawn, and Michael Demiurgos. Yeah All Mighty Wins. s. That authority to lt was given by toaa while beyonder didn't get that authority from toaa. So my problem here is while debating with Beyonder fans. Suggested by: #scarletking #theoneaboveall #toaaTOAA has no authority on Beyonder, nonetheless, Beyonder was the Supreme Being in the Universe of the Beyonders. She inherited the Demiurgic power through her father and with Lucifer's guidance, she molded and created her own universe, and that was a vastly weaker and earlier version. And yes she-hulk can do that as well, but she can also defeat opponents by crumpling up the page, that plot manipulation. 6. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. 7 years ago. SCP 3812. 8 years ago lettsplay10Doom fucking killed them all and banned the word Beyonder from Marvel Comics and the fact that ban hasn't been kept is disappointing. So, I have TOAA (plot device) above the PR Beyonder (character). Follow 77. Featherine should be comparable to PR Beyonder or EGD, but she isn't beating TOAA. Pre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. ago. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. Pre Retcon Beyonder. . Same with Beyonder and TOAA. ago. Wiki Points. A resisting Beyonder isn't stronger than a non-resisting TOAA, because the TOAA can do anything he wants so he never has to resist anything happening to him (I hope that makes sense)Quacken_ 6 mo 6 d. TOAA (Starlin/Milgrom) in 03' created THOTI to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. This is a simple fight. Team Beyoder: Living Tribunal. They were both. DC hasn't even created beings on his level, because they realize that something that powerful. Prepare for. SCP 3812. 8 C. Beyonder being > Oblivion aint change the fact that Beatrice steamrolles Marvel sans TOAA . The one above all beyond everything even beyonder realms. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder TOAA is Marvel and the Presence/Elaine Belloc is DC, but there's a quote by Jim Shooter and Stan Lee from Marvel that puts The Pre-Retcon Beyonder more higher--even above TOAA, (including Elaine Belloc AKA the Presence 2. #14. He. 193 4. Sẽ có sự nhầm lẫn, Beyonder là hiện thân của Đa vũ trụ, là tập hợp các yếu tố định luật vật lý của đa Vũ trụ lúc chưa hình thành, nghĩa là ở một đẳng cấp mà không một thực thể hay. The Beyonders are characters that exist within the boundaries of Marvel Comics, which means TOAA is more powerful than them. What they dream up with goes. The Living Tribunal is absolutely more powerful than Beyonder and would be able to defeat him. Manhattan. MOM hasn't shown any feats to suggest that he is on the same exact level as TOAA, let alone Pre-Recton Beyonder. Classic Beyonder is the most powerful being ever imagined by TOAA and drawn. LT is backed by TOAA, he was still shown to be less than a fly to the Beyonder. This could also be used as. OTG 1 y 5 mo 27 d. Neutral TOAA, is a dubious omnipotent being, it just depends on the will of the writers. Beyonder was basically God of his own universe (he was his own universe, so basically, he was a young/fresh TOAA comming into being! So he was to his universe/himself what TOAA is to the LT/Marvel U! The Beyonders and TOAA didnt really exist during Pre Retcon time from what i remember but i may of missed them, PRB was basically what the TOAA of the time. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. Recall the first being that we met who called itself a Beyonder. TOAA would be above Spawn, according to Marvel's hierarchy. -. The Beyonder kicks both their asses though, not the current beyonder but the first one. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. . This is a really difficult fight to answer, because neither have shown any feats that the other wouldn’t theoretically be capable of. Advertisement Coins. PR Beyonder is on par with TOAA but people tend to. Beyonder is beyond the universe. Job Burke 4. Beyonder was just a very much younger and less evolved TOAA, so Marvel's TOAA might have it on experience and being around more and his knowledge in himself, which is where Beyonder lacked, as he. Meaning he became everything and everyone. Beyonder is beyond the universe. He has no limits Pre Retcon. So, he could absolutely manipulate the hell out of Beyonder. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. 2. The-One-Above-All (also known as "Above All Others" or ''God'') is the overarching protagonist of the Marvel Universe. Not only this, due to scaling, Hajun has taken. #2 Edited By Kataklysmo. Round 1: Post-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Venom (The End) Archived post. The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents all the writers). Poll The Scarlet King vs TOAA, Azathoth, Lucifer Morningstar, Empty Hand and Pre Retcon Beyonder (12 votes) Scarlet King 50% . Hands down. TOAA has complete control over every universe including 616. So this battle is TOAA vs. Poll Current Lucifer Morningstar vs. First debuting in Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars #1, this Beyonder gave. I mean they give birth to he and his powers. 1 Less Powerful: Odin. Pre-retcon Beyonder is crazy powerful, powerful enough to stomp the LT, but infinitely weak compared to TOAA. Almighty and TOAA are essentially the same thing so there's really no debate. All Mighty: better feats, bigger multiverse, didn't get KOed by one of his creations. Like thanos becoming toaa with HOTU. Neither of. #9 Edited By AtPhantom. And that excuse about "They would be powerless in MU" is false because they embody God's Power and Will. Pre-retcon Beyonder. " Current beyonder wins, But lets get this straight: This Kami dude, he is not equivelent to TOAA. . 115 26. We have arrived at the Conclusion of Defenders Beyond! The Defenders have come face to face with The One Above All! But not all is as it seems, and Blue Ma. But the Beyonder can destroy universal conceptual beings (as seen above when he kills death itself). The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents all the writers). Pre-Retcon Beyonder would easily beat Lucifer Morningstar, and would probably stalemate TOAA and MoM. so the problem is that, Oblivion kinda has an upgrade in ranks during the decades, in the past Oblivion was kinda in the same rank that Eternity, Infinite and lady death, but in more modern comics, is hinted that he is way above that, The Chaos King that was revealed to be just a avatar of oblivion, basically a strand of oblivion hair, was above Eternity, The Griever that was destroying the. Juntai. The Presence stated that even he was shaped by “external” forces, whereas The One Above All is the one who shaped everything. Pre-retcon Beyonder is beyond all that. I think Brevoort's answer was a way of taking a dig at Shooter's take on the character and flaunting his power to ret con characters such as Beyonder(prob as being toaa in his own mind). The Beyonder is far, far beyond a Multiversal. 3. They are not beyonders and are instead a subservient race for them, ala the Mapmakers or the Sidera Maris and so on. The first version of Beyonder should be able to beat anything and anyone in Marvel. They are so many tiers apart that it's not even worth trying to count. The Beyonder's existence is singular in the sense that he doesn't exist in any alternate realities. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. Kitsunw. and yes, its the. There is only one Beyonder and its capabilities are beyond anything any cosmic being on this list can even begin to contemplate. Look stuff up for it. Molecule Man Beyonder Power 15. TOAA mops the floor with these two. In other words the only feat the One Above All has that is confirmed is creating a reality of infinite. 3 The Beyonder. It's actually arguable that Beyonder > TOAA based on feats. Follow 4160. TOAA, Prescence, Thanos w/HOTU, Classic Beyonder. 5 T. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . Pre Nemesis she was the Infinity Being who really was the original TOAA if you really want to get technical. "NO beyonder is not on TOaa level lol "Yes, I am afraid he is. Having incubated within a specialized "womb-space" created by his progenitors for an unknown amount of time, the Beyonder eventually became aware of existence apart from his own when a pinhole tore. No it is not. This is way larger than the entire Marvel verse and DC verse. Divine Creator 3. TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. Rorschach vs Dr. Beyonder both times, i find God of stories loki just generally to be wanked by flowery wording and shitty interpretation, hes still currently god of stories and got shit on by Donald Blake who just had some power of Thor and the World Serpant. It was implied that Beyonder was nothing more than a "child-unit" of the beyonder's race. She/Her. The first version of Beyonder should be able to beat anything and anyone in Marvel. There are two camps or the Presence vs TOAA fight. Beyonder - vs - The One-Above-All # 54. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. Blunt statement, and based on common misconception. Not even beyonder is that powerful. He like The Presence is far above the officially strongest without being the supreme. ago. 1. The One Above All (TOAA) is supposed to represent the writers of Marvel. Dem nah, There's toaa, pre retcon beyonder, toba,and true form oblivion as obvious choices but there's actually alot more. Who wins?PR Beyonder was at the time OMNIPOTENT -- He was supposed to the the TOAA equivalent from his own Megaverse!, it has been retconed a number of times but the retconns are irrelevant to the argument. I'm well aware that Beyonder is much more powerful than LT. Dem nah, There's toaa, pre retcon beyonder, toba,and true form oblivion as obvious choices but there's actually alot more. Its highly subjective since Superman is kind of featless. " im sick of Beyonder. The Superhero Database Classification number, or SHDB Class, is a number that represents the overall 'power' of a character. Beyonder but nemesis is one of the few who can actually compete. . Beyonder was the sum power of a multiverse, which still resides within a greater omniverse that Wanda's spell began to collapse. and yes, its the considered the strongest character in fiction by all comicbook/anime forums. plus isnt white phoenix at lt level i hear that it is. Thats because most Marvel and Beyonder know it all, like @Endless Mike do not post around here anymore. Kushedwack. #1 Edited By Nighthunter. Even if it logically and rationally. 9. s. s. What they say. TOAA is above all. Technically God exists as a character on Earth called Yahweh, which is his Jewish name, meaning He does exist as Yahweh/God/Allah in the comics, but how we perceive God in our universe as an all-powerful, unstoppable force of nature is how TOAA is, except he's on an Omniversal scale. Reply. and to become. And he loses. Follow 1. I think Darwin will take it 7/10 since you removed the "flight" option of fight or flight. Follow 1. So I would say it would have to be the TOAA, seeing how cannonically, Lucifer's multiverse is the same as DC's and Lucifer is so far above literally everyone in that multiverse that few even know he exists. Ninja-Yatsu • 10 mo. TOAA (Shooter/Milgrom) in 85' created Beyonder to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. 4 years ago. . The latter is one of the few fights that's actually 10/10, as in there is no conceivable way for Dr.